Veejane ([info]veejane) wrote,
@ 2004-09-08 14:32:00
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Still assembling the rest of my Worldcon notes. Some of which are on the backs of business cards, flyers, etc. (I took my slash panel notes on the map page of my program, because I ran out of paper.) I did want to put this forward, as a general observation:

I consider myself more a SF reader than a fantasy reader, which is to say that the scheduled authors I was looking to see were Connie Willis, Lois McMaster Bujold, Rosemary Kirstein, and Louise Marley. (Of course, they're the tiny minority of whom I saw, and when I write The Story of the con, for me it will be a story of the people mostly my own age, experimenting in the smaller cornices of the field.) But the panels I attended were almost all fantasy-oriented. I wondered why this is for a long period, and then looking at the program I realized that there was a relatively clear fantasy programming track, and a relatively clear Hard SF track (by which I mean, military adventure and panels about the future of real science), but no clear track of middle-of-the-road, anthropological, curious, thinky, topical, emotional SF. Maybe it's just hard to come up with panels on that topic.

I did attend one panel called "The Alien as...?", but although the panel included a romance writer, the discussion tended to go in the direction led by the panelist who was a biologist, who kept coming back to "speculate from reality" every time Kirsten talked about wanting to use aliens as mirrors for otherness. I gather there were other panels on a similar topic, that might have come out better and more my flavor of approach.

So my panelgoing tended to lurch a bit: I tried the panel on utopias and dystopias, but after William Tenn described his life of anti-fascism (15 minutes, and then he had to leave), it became a forum for anti-republiacn ranting. Which (a) boring and (b) not the topic. So I left.

One could describe the panel on the undead as sort of "middle-of-the-road", as the panelists all got quickly into the metaphors and reasons behind their use of mythic, fantasy and (in Willis's and Larry Niven's cases) SF devices. Though that wasn't what I was expecting from the panel description, so it was a pleasant surprise.

Both the "Do Women Write Differently?" and the "Lyrical Language" panels seemed to tend toward fantasy works for discussion purposes. (I had read some, but by no means all, of the works described). Maybe it is just that all of the panelists, who in these two cases were all women, are secretly on my friendslist.



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[info]kate_nepveu
2004-09-08 12:49 pm UTC (link)
no clear track of middle-of-the-road, anthropological, curious, thinky, topical, emotional SF

So suggest some panels for Boskone! (We'll be there, bought our memberships at Noreascon.) I'm prodding Chad to volunteer to be a science panel participant too.

I did find figuring out which panels I would like to be a major trial-and-error process, one that's still ongoing.

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[info]ckd
2004-09-08 08:42 pm UTC (link)
Ah, good, you and Chad will be at Boskone! (I've bought my membership already, too.) I didn't get much of a chance to talk to either of you at Worldcon.

(Wandering through friends' friends pages, seeking out Worldcon reports...the mighty hunter clicks his way through LiveJungle. Or not.)

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[info]veejane
2004-09-09 07:59 am UTC (link)
Hi CKD! You're one of the few new locals I met.

For Worldcon roundup, I am finding Coffee_and_Ink is a good resource for people who aren't already on my friendslist.

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[info]ckd
2004-09-09 02:17 pm UTC (link)
Hmm. I'm assuming that if you recognize me that we did meet, but I must apologize for not actually remembering it (or at least not associating your LJ username with the meeting).

(Reads back through other LJ entries)

OK, based on the comment Kate made about keeping out riffraff, you must have been at the LJ party. Still can't quite place you among all the folks who I hadn't previously known...sorry about that. It'll probably come to me later.

Wait, were you the person I thought I recognized at the Weird Al Sing-along party?

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[info]veejane
2004-09-10 09:31 am UTC (link)
We did run into each other then, yes. Um, you took the bus home and I took the T home one night -- Sunday night? Yes. AKA The Night I Spent 12:45 to 1:25am Sitting On The Floor Of Kendall Waiting For A Goddamn Train.

I think in all of Worldcon I was never in front of a camera, so I can't point you to any photos. (I took off the Veejane tag from my name tag after Thursday, because I am persnickety about sticky things.)

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[info]ckd
2004-09-10 10:33 am UTC (link)
Yes, I remember you; now I can put the name and face together. (I've made the appropriate fixes to my LJ worldcon report.)

I did actually catch the bus (as opposed to walking across the bridge and either never seeing a bus or having it pass me halfway across) that night, though I used my usual trick: walk toward the river, stopping at each bus stop to see if there's a bus coming. I think I caught it at the last stop before the river, and I know I was home before 0125...so if you'd tried the bus, you may well have been sitting on the floor of Central or Harvard waiting for the train, instead. That's life.

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(Anonymous)
2004-09-09 06:55 am UTC (link)
I agree, Jane. I also experienced that drift towards the more hard sciency side of things. I was on the First Contact panel and was hoping we'd spend time talking about colonialism which--in a blindingly obvious way--is what pretty much all first contact novels are about. Instead the vast majority of the time was spent on how to write convincing aliens. Interesting but would have been nice to talk about other aspects as well. Sadly I was not the moderator and could not wrench things off in the direction I wanted them to go.

Justine

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[info]veejane
2004-09-09 07:58 am UTC (link)
Ohhh is there a topic in that. (First contact = colonialism, I mean.) It's the one doubt I had of Molly Gloss's otherwise marvy The Dazzle of Day.

Actually, come to think, I remember in great detail being in college, and talking with a woman who said, "What makes you thinkwe could do a good job colonizing other planets?" I'd never before met anyone who didn't think it both inevitable and good that there would someday be bases on the moon.

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[info]cofax7
2004-09-10 09:16 am UTC (link)
> "What makes you think we could do a good job colonizing other planets?" <

Which is the theme, or one of them, of KSR's Mars trilogy, and of MDR's The Sparrow, although there it gets a bit lost in all the other stuff that's going on. But the colonialism issue was explicitly the driver for The Sparrow, according to Russell.

BTW, courtesy of you & Mely, I'm now kicking myself for not going to WC when it was in San Jose a few years back. Who knew it would be LJ that convinced me I'd actually enjoy cons?

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